Tuesday, December 19, 2017

The Velvet Underground - IV (upgrade)

The Velvet Underground – IV

(soniclovenoize reconstruction)

December 2017 Upgrade

Side A:
1.  We’re Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together
2.  One of These Days
3.  Andy’s Chest
4.  Lisa Says
5.  Ferryboat Bill
6.  Foggy Notion

Side B:
7.  I Can’t Stand It
8.  Coney Island Steeplechase
9.  I’m Sticking With You
10.  She’s My Best Friend
11.  Ocean
12.  Ride Into The Sun

This is an upgrade to my reconstruction of the fabled “lost fourth album” by The Velvet Underground, recorded in-between 1969’s The Velvet Underground and 1970’s Loaded.  With the master tapes discovered in the 1980s and remixed, the material originally saw the light of day on compilation albums VU and Another View.  The original 1969 mixes, as well as newer 2014 remixes that emulated the sound of those original 1969 mixes, were finally released on the 45th anniversary The Velvet Underground super delux boxset.  Sundazed also released their own reconstruction of this “lost fourth album” as a limited edition vinyl entitled 1969, but various pressings used either the 1969, 1985 or 2014 mixes.  My reconstruction uses only the vintage 1969 or “dry” 2014 mixes to present a cohesive, completed album and attempts to be true to what an actual fourth Velvet Underground might have been like in 1969. 

Upgrades to this December 2017 edition are:

  • Original 1969 mixes of “Foggy Notion”, “I’m Sticking With You”, “Andy’s Chest” and “She’s My Best Friend” are used, replacing the 1985 mixes. 
  • New 2014 remixes of “One of These Days”, “Lisa Says”, “Coney Island Steeplechase”, “I Can’t Stand It” and “We’re Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together” are used, replacing the 1985 mixes.
  • “Ocean” is sourced from The Velvet Underground super delux, an upgrade from the What Goes On source.
  • The original 1969 mix of “Ferryboat Bill” is added to the reconstruction, after much protest from blog followers! 
  • “Ride Into The Sun” is speed-corrected and volume-adjusted to match the sound of the new sources.

After the proto-shoegaze of 1967’s The Velvet Underground & Nico and the groundbreaking noise-rock of 1968’s White Light/White Heat, we have a completely different Velvet Underground by 1969.  After recording an album intended to be the polar opposite of White Light/White Heat with John Cale’s more musically apt (albeit less experimental) replacement Doug Yule, the band enjoyed critical success with their The Velvet Underground album, even though commercial success still eluded them.  Although the band was tired of MGM Records—or perhaps reading the writing on the wall and anticipated a drop from the label due to a lack of commercial potential—The Velvets continued recording a follow-up to The Velvet Underground while touring throughout 1969, biding their time until their management found a better label. 

These recording sessions, based at the Record Plant in New York, began on May 6th with The Velvet Underground tracking the jaunty “Coney Island Steeplechase”, as well as a rocker heavily featured on their current tour and effectively becoming the most-well known originals of this batch, “Foggy Notion”.  The band returned to the studio on May 13th and tracked a song Lou Reed himself would re-record for his seminal 1972 Transformer album “Andy’s Chest”, as well as the charming Mo Tucker-sung “I’m Sticking With You” which would be tried again but ultimately scrapped for the Loaded sessions.  The next day the Doug Yule-sung “She’s My Best Friend” was recorded, a song Reed would himself rerecord for his 1976 Coney Island Baby album.  On May 20th the band recorded another live staple that would be revisited for Lou Reed’s 1972 solo album Lou Reed, “I Can’t Stand It”.  The Velvets returned to the studio on June 19th & 20th to track an additional three songs: the bizarre “Ferryboat Bill”; another road-tested epic “Ocean” again later rerecorded for both Loaded and Lou Reed; and a rough performance of “Rock and Roll”, a song later re-recorded as the centerpiece for Loaded.  At this two-day session they also made mixes of seven of the nine songs tracked thus far and compiled an acetate that contained, in order: “I’m Sticking With You”, “Foggy Notion”, “Ferryboat Bill”, “Andy’s Chest”, “Ocean”, “Rock and Roll” and “She’s My Best Friend”.

With half the album in the can, The Velvets took the summer off to continue touring and returned to The Record Plant on September 5th for more work on the project.  The exquisite “Ride Into The Sun” was tracked, a song too later rerecorded but scrapped for Loaded and finally appearing on Lou Reed.   While a multi-layered instrumental version exists, the multitracks containing the vocal overdubs seems to have been lost, and unfortunately only exists as an acetate.  The band returned to the studio on September 23rd to cut the bar-room rollick “One of These Days” and the aimless instrumental jam “I’m Gonna Move Right In” was tracked on September 27th.  Live staple “We’re Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together” was recorded three days later and finally the somber “Lisa Says” recorded on October 1st.  In the end, fourteen new songs were recorded between May and October—most of which were excellent, studio captures of this incarnation of The Velvet Underground who had become a live-performing machine throughout 1969.   But by the end of the year, MGM had dropped The Velvet Underground from their roster of artists and the mastertapes were filed away in a vault, forgotten and never to be heard again in that decade or the next. 

It should be noted that the actual band members seem to have differing opinions on what the intent of these recordings was.  In interviews and personal correspondence, bandleader Lou Reed expressed that the 1969 Record Plant recordings were meant for their fourth album—specifically noting that “We’re Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together” was meant to be the lead single, a tongue-in-cheek ode to mindless dance music.  Mo Tucker sides with Reed, stating she was under the impression they were recording a proper fourth album (although she confusingly claims that The Record Plant recordings were not it).  In contrast, Doug Yule claimed they were simply professionally-recorded demos for the album that would eventually be Loaded.  Sterling Morrison offers a completely different explanation: the recordings were simply “busy work”, a put-on so that MGM would not suspect the band was shopping for a new contract, and that these recordings were never meant to see the light of day.   Who are we to believe, if we believe any of this at all? 

Regardless, the multitracks of the 1969 Record Plant sessions (along with a few unreleased John Cale-era tracks from 1968) were accidentally found in the vaults in the mid 1980s, remixed and released as the compilation album VU in 1985.  Perfectly timed during a revival of interest in the band, the album was a hit; it was probably no coincidence that VU featured rather modern mixing techniques (such as gated reverb on the drums) wowing audiences that a band from the 60s could have such a modern sound!  With the remainder of the tracks released on 1986’s Another View, these mixes circulated on compilation albums for nearly thirty years.  With fans complaining of the anachronistic mixing of the Record Plant sessions, the vintage 1969 mixes were finally given an official release in 2014 on the 45th anniversary super delux boxset of The Velvet Underground.  Also included were freshly-made remixes of the remaining seven songs, created to match the sound of the vintage 1969 mixes.  By this point in time, Sterling and Yule’s view of these recordings were ignored and the sessions were touted as “the great lost fourth Velvet Underground album,” be it accurate or not. 

My reconstruction attempts to use the best of these 1969 Record Plant Sessions and present a finished, cohesive album, as could have been released by the end of 1969 as the fourth Velvet Underground album.  We will be using all original 1969 mixes or the new 2014 mixes found on The Velvet Underground super delux boxset.  All introductory studio chatter is edited out as well as some outros faded out, as per what the final tracks probably would have been released as.  My reconstruction drops “I’m Gonna Move Right In” for the sake of conciseness and drops “Rock and Roll” for the sake of redundancy.  We will also substitute the instrumental “Ride Into The Sun” with the vocal acetate version found on the What Goes On boxset, speed corrected and volume-adjusted to match the previous eleven songs.  The resultant album is a strong collection of twelve tracks that amount to just over 40 minutes, the perfect Velvet Underground album.  While succumbing to a more polished sound, we also essentially have a more energetic version of The Velvet Underground, bridging the gap between that and Loaded.  Also, we can fully appreciate the underrated powerhouse of Doug Yule, a forgotten hero who kept the band together without John Cale.  A document of a short-lived era of the band usually only heard on live recording like The Quine Tapes, IV are the waves to ride us into the sun.  Let's have a real good time together.  

Sources Used:
The Velvet Underground (2014 CD boxset)
What Goes On (1993 CD boxset)

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  1. Looking forward to hearing your new upgrade. My only niggle would be the cover art - wouldn't it be better to use a picture with Doug Yule rather than one with John Cale?

    1. https://i.imgur.com/T62R8SZ.png

      Will this be alright for you?

    2. I used the same pic I used last time because I thought it was cool, despite the lineup discrepancy

      I have never seen a 1969-era pic that wasn't totally dorky, sorry.

    3. Funny thing is, I was the entertainment editor of my college newspaper in '85 when the "VU" album came out, and the record company sent included that photo as part of the publicity. So if the record company didn't know in 1985 that they included a photo of the wrong lineup, it's not a stretch that they wouldn't know in 1969 either. :)

    4. Well, to be fair, the "VU" compilation does contain some Cale era tracks. And Cale on a VU cover is likely to sell more than Yule.

      Anyway, for anyone so inclined, there's a decent Yule-inclusive cover at the following link courtesy of Jon Hunt.


    5. I wasn't completely happy with your cover either so I rolled a couple of my own and thought I'd share them with you. I'm OK with the Cale era pic just not happy with how it was done on the VU comp. I made two different covers, one with the Cale pic and one with a collage of pics from the proper time frame. I also did not have a equivalent font so I rendered each cover twice, one with text and one without.


      This construction has been inserted into the official cannon in my library and felt the cover needed tweaking. Feel free to use them if you like them.

    6. I thought some of the photos that Jeff Albertson in 1969 were pretty good.

  2. Cool stuff. This is the album Polygram should have put out to begin with in 1985 instead of bringing together songs for a hybrid LP.

    Also, very glad to see you used the original mixes instead of the '80s remixes that were doused in Dave Dexter Jr.-like reverb. A job well done all around.

    Somewhere on my blog I have a really clean rip of "Squeeze" and "The Velvet Underground, Etc." for people interested in this stuff. And some Nico.

  3. That's for the update. I'm looking forward to having a listen.

  4. This is one of my favorite constructions of yours. Looking forward to this upgrade. Thanks

  5. One of my favorite re-constructions from you.Cool stuff.Thanks.I'm looking forward to it.

  6. soniclovenoize, thank you for sharing this classic...great.

  7. soniclovenoize, thank you for sharing this classic...great.

  8. Many thanks for this! I loved VU and Another VU, so hearing the original mixes will be a great Xmas present! Thanks again, and Happy Holidays!

  9. Hey! I've done that too on my blog some time ago following the Olivier Landemaine's infos here: http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/andsoon/lostalbum/lostalbum.html
    Thanks for your reconstruction!

  10. Hello,
    very beautiful job as usual. Congratulations and many thanks for sharing.
    Best regards,

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  12. Another view of "IV"? Obsessional or a necessary attention to detail? Obviously the latter. Wonderful. Thanks for your closet mix!

  13. Thanks, soniclovenoize, this is very enjoyable. And I have to compliment you on your rock scholarship. The Velvets are my favorite band, and I have a hard enough time reading everything there is to know about just them, much less all the bands you cover. I enjoy reading the posts even for albums I'm not interested in, due to your fine research and obvious passion for the projects.

    It is the eternal mystery as to whether these songs constituted a real attempt at a fourth album for MGM or not. Reed, Yule, Morrison and Tucker's varying accounts are somewhat frustrating when trying to get to the truth of the matter. But I think it just goes to show how little of a crap anyone gave about the VU in their time...no one thought to document their activities too closely, as who really cared about a band who was a cult act at the time? By the time a lot of people did care, the ravages of time and human memory had set in. Just what they were doing in the studio over those five months, we'll never know for sure.

    Finally, great job on your "Ride Into the Sun" reconstruction. I'd have been tempted to cheat a bit and include the much more professional-sounding take from a year later during the Loaded sessions, with Yule singing, and with the "it's hard to live in the city" coda. But this is the best reconstruction of the 1969 version with vocals I've yet heard.

  14. Thanks as always for all these great reconstructions. One minor correction: you've listed "Coney Island Steeplechase" as "Coney Island Cyclone."

    1. Wow I must have been asleep at the wheel!

    2. I liked "cyclone" better as a title, but hey.

    3. "Coney Island Cyclone" is actually one of my favorite songs, by Mercury Rev


    4. I'd love a copy of this but can't download.

  15. Before, it was a compilation.

    Now, its an album!

    Well done.

  16. Thank you for replacing those dated 80s mixes with the mixes from the 2014 box. Those sound much better, and do make this feel more like a cohesive whole. Wonderful!

  17. Love your blog and your mixes! Would you consider compiling a version of "Spare Bricks" - the semi-soundtrack to "The Wall" film by Pink Floyd which eventually became "The Final Cut"? I've made one or two passes at my own version and there's a lot of material to work with! I would be fascinated to see what you would do with it. Cheers! :)

    1. Something like this?

    2. Pretty much, yes! Good stuff :)

    3. yes. but with the whole thing as a download (same with all the other stuff there that is 'suggested' instead of put together as a proper download with consistent volume levels etc and not a 'do it yourself' project that often winds up a frustrating failure (for me at least). Don't get me wrong: I love both these sites but doing in myself means finding the stuff online at consistent bitrates, consistent volume levels etc etc etc. I tend to give up by the second or third attempt and then I get really frustrated with my efforts and give up :-( (please don't take this the wrong way)

  18. Minority opinion, but I think the VU mix of "I'm Sticking With You" is better than the vintage one, which omits the organ during the coda!

  19. Sounds good!
    Sequencing is always a chore, but I personally would've ended with 'I'm Sticking With You' - has that
    'After Hours' type feel...

  20. Thank you. As is, I always thought VU was a great album of unheard gems when it first came out. Looking forward to your version. I'll miss Stephanie Says though. Cheers!

  21. It seems I cannot thank you enough for this one. It has been in steady rotation since I downloaded it. It actually might end up as my favorite VU LP. Thanks again and again.

  22. Even Lou would be proud! Nicely done!

  23. Hi sonic! I really loved this VU 4th LP mix. If I may so say, it would definitely be in my top 5 of your mixes.

    I wanted to share my own album that never was here: an attempt at a follow-up to The Beach Boys' Holland LP. I used your rocking remix of the Adult/Child version of "Shortenin' Bread" and it fits the album to a T! Enjoy!


    The Beach Boys - Caribou Ranch (1975)
    Produced by The Beach Boys
    Musical directors: Dennis Wilson and James William Guercio

    Side A (16:40)

    1. Good Timin' (Brian Wilson/Carl Wilson) (2:10)
    2. The River Song (Dennis Wilson/Carl Wilson) (4:02)
    3. Shortenin' Bread (arr. by Brian Wilson) (2:50)
    4. Back Home (Brian Wilson/Al Jardine/Bob Norberg) (2:22)
    5. Barnyard Blues (Dennis Wilson/Carl Wilson) (2:33)
    6. Rollin' Up To Heaven (Brian Wilson) (2:44)

    Side B (17:40)

    7. It's OK (Brian Wilson/Mike Love) (2:11)
    8. Rainbows (Dennis Wilson/Carl Wilson/Stephen Kalinich)
    9. Had To Phone Ya (Brian Wilson/Mike Love/Diane Rovell)
    10. My Love Lives On (Dennis Wilson/Stephen Kalinich) (2:33)
    11. California Feelin' (Brian Wilson/Stephen Kalinich) (2:55)
    12. Holy Man (Dennis Wilson/Carl Wilson/Gregg Jakobson/Taylor Hawkins) (4:25)

  24. Hi,
    thanks for all your reconstructions, including Velvet Underground IV. Do you by chance know if there are enough usable tracks to recreate the next Yes-West album and the second Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album that were eventually combined into the infamous Yes Union album?
    All the best from Germany

  25. I've just started my own website similar to this one. You can tell from the title: Albums That Should Exist.


    Please come check it out. I've already got about 20 albums posted there.

  26. I hope that Sonic is just taking a well-earned break, and both Paul and I had the same idea to start our own blogs, and came up with almost the same name! Mine is here if you want to check it out, and it includes some albums that I posted links for in the comments section of Sonic's site over the past few years. https://albumsiwishexisted.blogspot.co.uk/

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  28. This particular project is one of the best on the site, but for sonic and any visitors who care, here are a few key adjustments:

    1. The "Ride Into the Sun" acetate sounds awful and isn't of a piece w/ the album. The vocal-less instrumental sounds better, but it's missing the lyrics. What to do?? A: combine the instrumental and vocals into a superior track that works great. And here you have it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHO9IvaoBk

    2. Somehow no one on this page has noted the exclusion of "Countess From Hong Kong," which I think is tragic. The song is great. Yes, it was co-written with Cale, but the demo wasn't cut until late-'69, which I think puts it in play for 'IV'. It slots in between "Ocean" and "Ride Into the Sun," giving the latter a better end-of-album segue.

    3. "Ferryboat Bill" belongs on 'IV', but not after "Lisa Says." It's jarring and odd, and is the kind of surreal vignette that makes for a great side closer. "Lisa Says" into "Foggy Notion" into "Ferryboat Bill" is much smoother. Which brings me to...

    4. "Foggy Notion" should have the studio intro cut and just begin as a proper track.

    5. And, finally, the cover isn't period appropriate. It should have been changed to this for the upgrade: https://bit.ly/2BUCu1N

    YMMV, but I think any visitors who apply these adjustments will be most happy. Sonic does great work and who knows if he'll care what I think, but perhaps someday this will get another official upgrade.


  29. Splendid work indeed.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Cheers Danny.

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  31. Excellent, thank you soniclovenoize :)

  32. just discovered your blog - fantastic work, many thanks

  33. Hey SLV, seems these links are down, would you perchance be able to re-up?

    Many thanks!

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      empty 3s

      listless falk

    2. Sounds awesome, thank you for all your work!